Re: [pen] Hunting rifle

["Illustrious niteshad" <niteshad@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Mike Williams <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A .270 Win with a decent shot (no, not head shots), will knock down a
> Grizzly, Black, and if you get lucky, a Polar Bear.  .270 Winchester is a
> fine, fast round.  Don't expect fifty million yard shots....I hear it is
> effective to 400 yards.  I would snipe a big ass bear at 50, but that is to
> you.  A .270 Win, in Rem model 710 for cheap as ultra fuck will get you a
> lethal 200 yard gun for a deer/elk/small bear.  Full stop.
>
> shad has a lot to offer, but the .270 is a fie caliber and very lethal.
>  Although .308 is far more war-like, .270 is likely more lethal at distance.
>  Do not underestimate the .30 caliber....
>
> .270 is cheap, my nick name for 10 years running (for a reason), and very
> effective.  I would take a Mod 710 to the Rockies for a 500 yard shot on a
> moose/elk.
>

Provisionally, I agree with everything that .270 Mike says except that
last line.  If you're hunting, you want to stalk into range where you
are confident that you can drop your quarry in one shot.   For most
hunters, who don't train like military snipers (and I certainly
don't!) that range is 200-300 yards on most game.  Jeff Cooper once
opined that if the ordinary hunter finds himself in a situation where
he needs to take a shot from beyond 300 yards, he was doing something
wrong.  You owe a quick clean death to your quarry; that's part of
being a sportsman.  In addition, such a death will insure that the
meat you take is of higher quality than if the animal pumped itself up
on stress hormone and adrenaline and ran for _any_ distance.

As for hunting rifles and advice on .22 rifles, here's what noted gun
writer Massad Ayoob has to say on the matter:

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob114.html

-niteshad-