Re: [pen] Hunting rifle

[Mike Williams <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

A .270 Win with a decent shot (no, not head shots), will knock down a 
Grizzly, Black, and if you get lucky, a Polar Bear.  .270 Winchester is 
a fine, fast round.  Don't expect fifty million yard shots....I hear it 
is effective to 400 yards.  I would snipe a big ass bear at 50, but that 
is to you.  A .270 Win, in Rem model 710 for cheap as ultra fuck will 
get you a lethal 200 yard gun for a deer/elk/small bear.  Full stop.

shad has a lot to offer, but the .270 is a fie caliber and very lethal. 
 Although .308 is far more war-like, .270 is likely more lethal at 
distance.  Do not underestimate the .30 caliber....

.270 is cheap, my nick name for 10 years running (for a reason), and 
very effective.  I would take a Mod 710 to the Rockies for a 500 yard 
shot on a moose/elk.

.270

Illustrious niteshad wrote:
> You should know that using rifles for deer hunting is banned in 1/3 of 
> Michigan, the southern half of the Lower Peninsula.  Also, most places 
> in Michigan, you're going to be hunting in forests or brush with limited 
> visibility.  Something like a Remington 870 Combo in 12 gauge 3" Magnum 
> chamber, a shotgun with both a smoothbore, removable-choked "Field" 
> barrel and a rifled barrel for sabotted slugs would be my recommendation 
> for a first hunting gun.  It will be more than adequate for deer, black 
> bear, feral swine, etc. with the slug barrel, and with suitable sized 
> shot, you can branch out into small game, upland game, night-time 
> furbearer and predator hunting, waterfowl and wild turkey hunting as 
> well, with the smoothbore barrel.
>
> If you're dead-set on buying a rifle, get a Savage 110 or 111 
> bolt-action in .308 Winchester, .270 Winchester or .30-06, any of these 
> will handle your rifle hunting needs for years to come, unless you 
> decide to go after brown bear (Grizzlies and Kodiaks), Elk or Moose.  My 
> personal preference would be for the .308 Winchester, since it can also 
> fire the dimensionally identical 7.62x51mm NATO round, which has been 
> cropping up by the case on the military surplus ammo markets for quite 
> some time now.
>
> As for the .22s, I'd recommend just about any action-style other than 
> semi-auto for the first time shooter, with bolt-action being my strong 
> preference.  Marlin and Ruger both make solid .22LR which will be 
> rugged, reliable and easy to clean and maintain.  The bolt action allows 
> the shooter to easily single load the rounds, which is great from a 
> safety perspective while young shooters are still perfecting their safe 
> gun-handling skills.  The act of breaking and re-acquiring the sighting 
> picture each time they cycle the bolt will also hone their aim.
>
> I prefer to buy my guns at either Westborn Gun Shop in Taylor, MI or 
> Jay's Sporting Goods in Clare, MI.  Both places are family run, 
> invariably have whatever I'm looking for--in stock and at a price to 
> beat the big guys--and stand behind the products they sell.   A single 
> trip to Jay's would allow you to set up for deer hunting--including all 
> clothing and supplies you might need--and get your boys' .22 rifles 
> squared away as well.
>
> -niteshad-